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Well the last few pages have definitely opened up a huge amount of commenting and debate in regards to Moyo, Taka, and Sarafina. So I thought I'd put my personal thoughts on the subject in this journal just for funzies.


I'm going to start with Taka's behavior. Yes, Taka did have a point with what he said to Moyo, a point I will talk about a bit later, but Taka's behavior was completely unreasonable. Taka is a Prince of the Pride Lands. He is supposed to represent what the kingdom stands for. After all, your behavior as a child reflects positively or poorly upon the parents that raised you. And if your parents are the King and Queen a Prince should make a point of acting mature and positive to give a positive reflection of the kingdom and the rulers. Ahadi and Uru accepted the East Landers and Moyo into the pride with open arms and grace. And Taka behaving as he is reflects badly upon the rest of the Pride Lands. Had Uru and Ahadi been around, they would have been disgusted with his behavior. Granted, Taka has been manipulated his entire life by the evil Hyena Matriarch, Viccha, but he's allowed himself to be turned into a rude, selfish lion who really cares for no one other than himself. He still has some residual love for his family, but he is a jerk. And I see a lot of arguments that are anti-Moyo that are "Moyo could have run, Moyo could have stopped the murders, if Moyo was really a good guy he would have thought about this stuff before the fact" but no one is equating the same concept to Taka which is "Taka could have changed on his own, and not continued to befriend Viccha and see the error of his ways." I would like to say in this regard, that a lot of you really don't understand the psychology behind characters like Moyo and Taka. Taka, like Moyo, is a weak minded, follower who is easily manipulated to the point that they don't know they are being manipulated, or if they do, as in Moyo's case, they have no understanding of how to get out of the situation. Taka is being manipulated, very similarly to how Moyo was by Kuendesha. The only difference is that Moyo's goodness eventually won out and with the help of the East Lander lionesses he was able to break away and do some good for once. Taka, being significantly emotionally weaker than Moyo, is not able to pull out of it. Every thing that happened in Taka's life really weren't huge problems. He got stuck in the Grave Yard, His brother lied, his parents yelled, his grand father died, his brother was more popular, and the girl he loved turned him down. Those are all problems that every single one of us has faced in some way or another. We have all experienced love, loss, hate, back-stabbing and the works. The only difference is we do not have a manipulative person behind us taking advantage of our pain. But back more to the point. Taka is a jerk. Plain and simple. Yes, he's been made into a jerk, but how he reacted to seeing Sarafina was wrong. She had just escaped a horrible situation, traveled a long distance, and wanted some rest. Taka, being selfish and bitter, just HAD to say something. Just HAD to prove a point. And even if his point is relatively accurate, he didn't say it to be a kind, concerning friend. He said it to hurt her. So I really can't see how anyone is agreeing with Taka's behavior. Even when you are hurt, you do not treat people you supposedly love that way. But, Taka's behavior is what it is because he eventually has to become Scar. I'm just saying, just because he's a lot of people's favorite because Scar as a villain is awesome, Scar as a personality is a very bad character.


Taka's point. The point that Moyo helped kill Sarafina's parents, and how could Sarafina come to love him. This is when we have to dive deep into psychology again. Moyo was abandoned by his biological parents at an age so young that he had no chance of surviving. Kuendesha finds him, saves him, and raises him with Mfuasi and Mnyama. They grow up together like a family. And while these cubs are growing, Kuendesha is feeding them manipulation tactics to turn them into his devoted minions. Kuendesha is very much like Viccha in this sense. He preys on the fact that the cubs are orphans, and need him to survive to manipulate them into following his every order. Moyo, at this point, is like a kidnap victim, or someone brain washed in a cult, going along with his captor because he really doesn't know another way. But, unlike Mnyama and Mfuasi, who do follow Kuendesha blindly, Moyo voices his worry about harming the other pride. He is shot down, and like the emotionally manipulated and abused minion he is he shuts up about it. They take over the Pride, Moyo doesn't take place in the killing, and from that point afterward guilt starts to spread through him. Keeping in mind that Moyo is basically an abused, brain washed minion of Kuendesha, it's amazing that he came to feel guilt at all. So he starts with a very basic act, leaving food. And when Sarafina finds him out Moyo finally has an outlet to change. An outlet that had never been known before. And from that point on, with a purpose of his own, and lionesses who help him to realize his real goodness, Moyo breaks away and helps save the East Land Pride. Moyo didn't break away before for a few reasons. One, he thought that Kuendesha and the others would kill him, or hunt him down and then kill him if he left. Two, he probably wouldn't have survived on his own. And three, he has no idea what life is like outside of the manipulative bubble Kuendesha kept him in. So those who said that he could have left, could have stopped it, could have said no really don't understand the psychology behind the type of behavior being exhibited. In fact, I would say in regards to Moyo and Mfuasi, Moyo is far more good. Mfuasi only didn't turn Akina and Zira in because he is against the murder of cubs. Had Akina and Zira not existed, Mfuasi would have never seen the light, and would have kept going on with Kuendesha and Mnyama. Moyo is the only male in that group of three that actually felt guilt from the beginning. And he changed. The Moyo that broke away and became his own lion is the lion that Sarafina loves. She looked past the entity he was under Kuendesha's dictatorship and fell in love with the lion that broke free. Because Post Kuendesha Moyo is a much different lion considering he was never allowed to explore who he was before he rebelled. This sort of thing happens all the times with cults and dictators. Despite the fact that the man in charge is a fucked up cookie, the masses follow and very few break free or rebel. Moyo was one of the few that did. I also think that Taka has no room to talk about Moyo being a killer when Taka goes on to throw his brother off a cliff then plunges the Pride Lands into a holocaust type situation..


Moyo's behavior towards Taka. Yes, he might have a twinge of jealousy, most people have a secret twinge of dislike when they meet an ex of their significant other, and even more so when they meet someone who is still interested in their significant other, even if their significant other was never interested in that person. Because it means that someone else is pursuing your lady/man and no one likes that. Moyo trusts Sarafina, it's Taka, especially given his attitude, that he has trouble trusting after Sarafina divulged that information. But the jealousy is only slight. It's mostly just the unpleasant information straw that broke the Taka's-a-jerk-camels back. Moyo was very pleasant when Sarafina introduced Moyo to Taka. And Taka turned into an ass. Granted, Taka's jealous and hurt, but still, Taka's behavior was rash and unreasonable. So Moyo's current grumpy mood is mostly towards Taka's over all behavior, not towards Taka having feelings for Sarafina.


Sarafina… What to say about Sarafina. Well, I guess the major thing is that you can't force love. I've seen a few comments about Sarafina that damn her for not having fallen in love with Taka because "He was there through out most of her life and she only knew Moyo for a few weeks." It's true, Taka was there for her as she grew up, and they were very close friends. But Sarafina did not love Taka. She say him as a good friend, and an older brother, but she did not love him. And by the time Taka confessed his love, if she had not already loved him, there was no way she was going to love him. You can't force love. If she had feelings for him, they would have shown already. But there was nothing. The fact that she fell in love with Moyo in such a short time even after the part he took in the plot to take the East Lands is down, simple, to sparks. You need to feel attraction, sparks, that feeling that hits when you know you are very attracted to someone and this person is someone you could love. As stated above, she fell in love with the Moyo that escaped from Kuendesha's manipulation. The Moyo that grew from a brain-washed follower into a strong lion who helped them all escape and kept them safe. So I really have no beef with Sarafina in this regards. I think she might have rushed it with Moyo, but given more time the result would have been the same. She never loved Taka, she never will. And you can't force love. 



Just my thoughts! I'm sure there are plenty of grammatical errors in there that I'm too lazy to find. I wrote this very quickly, sort of like brain-vomit. 

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AutumnsWolves Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2014
I think you explained this all pretty well.  On the topic of Moyo aiding the murderer of Sarafina's old comrades, I think it is pretty unfair for people to consider Moyo past the point of no return after that event, especially since he wasn't the ringleader behind their deaths, so to speak.  Moyo expressed doubts about his leader's actions from the beginning.  If he hadn't left food and helped with the escape, Sarafina and the others would have been far worse off, or even died/still been trapped.  Sarafina cares for Moyo because she sees that he is a good person and has forgiven him for everything that happened.  Moyo is now far more likely to stand up for Sarafina and the right thing in general, while Taka is steadily becoming the direct opposite.  Taka could learn a thing or two from the love and forgiveness Moyo and Sarafina portray.  Why would someone criticize Moyo for every little thing he's done and yet ignore all of Taka's actions?(ones that often involve direct murder, in contrast to Moyo's simply being a subordinate of a tyrant(that helped the victims escape))  If I were Sarafina, regardless of any romantic feelings or a lack thereof, I would have been grateful for Moyo's help, seen that he had turned from his wrong filled past, and forgiven him.  I am not generally one that wastes time with grudges that don't need to be held anymore.  I find that people have much less incentive to become better if people aren't willing to forgive them and accept their friendship/help.  If anyone still hates Moyo for his past, would you want people to hate you for every tiny thing you've done wrong?  Believe it or not, even for a relatively good person, hurting others isn't as uncommon as one would think, and people often hurt others without realizing it.

On the note of Sarafina not falling for Taka, hating Sarafina for this comes off a little like people hating that their favorite ship didn't happen in the comic.  I don't mind Taka x Sarafina in the right context, but I don't see any reason to dislike Moyo x Sarafina in this story.  Sarafina did nothing wrong when she rejected Taka because entering into a romantic relationship with fake feelings would just be more harmful in the long run.  Taka didn't respond maturely to Sarafina's rejection at all.  The fact that he turned so dangerous over a few life events that many of us have to go through without turning into murderers is pretty sad.  I understand that people respond to things differently, but I doubt anyone in Sarafina's place would actually think that was a good excuse on Taka's part.  

I will contrast Taka with a scenario from my own life:  Not long after I started college, a guy from one of my classes asked to sit with me at lunch.  I didn't know he had any actual interest in me at the time(I'm kinda dense like that), I had just decided at that point that if someone asked to sit with me I'd let them because that seemed to be the easiest way to make friends.  So, we gradually started hanging out more and more often at mealtimes and when it came to working on projects.  Eventually, when it was almost half way through the semester he told me he liked me.  He said it was ok if I didn't feel the same way, he just wanted to get those feelings off his chest.  He even said that as long as we could still be friends at least he'd be alright.  I knew I had to be honest and say that I didn't feel the same way, knowing someone for only half a semester isn't that long to me at all, for starters.  I wasn't interested in romantic relationships at all at that point either.  I could tell he was sad(later he even admitted that he had gone back to his dorm, pacing and thinking he had made a terrible mistake in telling me because he thought I may not want to hang out with him anymore), but he was still very respectful of my feelings and decision and regardless of the fact that I didn't return his feelings at that point, I greatly respected him for the way he handled the situation.  A semester or two after that, I started to like him back, and we plan on dating eventually if things continue to go well for us(we're waiting because we want to know each other better as friends first and to let my parents get to know him better and become comfortable with our relationship) But, even if I hadn't ever returned his feelings, I really value the kind of person that can respond to this kind of situation maturely, and it shows that the person really cares about you when they can respect your decision like that and, rather than avoid you, still be there for you and still consider you a friend(doesn't mean they should feel forced to be around you all the time, I know dealing with rejection is very hard)  Not only did I really come to like this guy, but with the way he handled the situation, I had the reassurance that he was worth liking.

This was his first time confessing these kind of feelings to anyone, and this was the first time anyone had ever confessed to me.  If the guy that likes me had reacted like Taka had, however, I would have probably still wanted to regard him as a friend, but I would have been VERY glad that I had turned him down in terms of romance.  So, the fact that this is the first time Taka had to deal with this isn't an excuse.  I know it's his personality, but that isn't a justification.  That just means he has negative character traits he needs to overcome, just like we all do.

I hope this made sense, I'm kind of tired and this was both long and very rushed, which makes me ramble a lot.
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Darkmoony93 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Thank you!
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PerpetualTwilight21 Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014
Thank you for writing this.  Funnily enough, I had initially thought much the same before reading so many other comments on your comics ( I always read a lot of them...they can be quite informative and entertaining ).  All the negativity towards Moyo for the same reasons made me think that maybe I was going too easy on him.

I still don't know how I feel about him, but given his background and personality, his actions in your comic all make sense.  I am willing to give him a chance. :) 
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weasel-girl Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks for explaining in more detail! :)
I was going to say something else about Moyo on the other page, but I forgot about it until now.
I don't think Moyo was extremely jealous of Taka like many people were saying.  First impressions are everything and Taka made a very bad impression on Moyo by being rude and hurtful towards the lioness that he loves.  If I was Moyo and I met someone who acted exactly like how Taka acted, I wouldn't like that person either.
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Winterstream Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
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everything you've written here ;)
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Aquila7708 Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014
Here are my two cents, yes Taka is being manipulated from what seems to be the hyena version of Fidel Castro. Yes, he has acted immature, and his problems with his own life are simplistic. His grandfather died, and there was no one there to comfort him, yet I remember seeing a panel of him nuzzled up with his mother. He could have easily gone to Kweli and Hazina for some comfort seeing as he liked to spend time with them. The pride did not shun him, he shun the pride. On the subject of Sarafina...yeah, I can see things through his pov. Granted that we have all been there at a point in our lives. Still no excuse to act like that, he could have remained silent, keep his anger cobbled up, not even give out a hello.
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Shippuden23 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014

Yeah, this sums it up pretty nicely.

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corruptangel315 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014
You make some very good points, any I have to admit, the relationship is easier for me to understand after reading this. I still don't feel it's right, though. Not completely, anyway. After all, the fact still remains... whether Moyo ever actually agreed with his "family's" cruel actions or not, he is still an accessory to murder; and not just any murder... but the murder of his own mate's parents. For that reason, I just can't fully understand how they can both just so easily forget about that and love each other "normally". Especially Sarafina; if I was her, I wouldn't feel right at all about loving the guy who was an accomplice (unwilling or not) to my parents' murder, and I certainly wouldn't want to bare his child. It just baffles me that she doesn't feel just a bit... strange about all this. :S

Another thing I can't seem to understand is how Moyo was able to get away with not actively participate in the murders. I can't imagine that Kuendesha was simply alright with Moyo just "standing on the sidelines", as I just wouldn't think it would be in Kuendesha's character... he always seemed like the kind of guy who would take Moyo's lack of murderous participation as insubordination and lack of loyalty. Not to mention a show of weakness, and I can't imagine he'd stand for that. So it was always to my understanding that Moyo did get in on the killings, whether he truly wanted to or not, if only to appease his "master" Kuendesha. Now that you've definitely stated that Moyo, in fact, did not physically participate in the actual murders, though, I'm just curious as to how and why he was able to do so (again, for the reasons I stated), if you don't mind explaining. ^^
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albinoraven666fanart Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I explained the Sarafina Moyo thing, so I'm not going to go into detail about that. If that explanation isn't enough, I'm not sure what else to say. -shrug-

Kuendesha wanted to kill the males so he was officially king. If the murder was shared, so was the glory. After all, Mnyama was the one who brought out Dumaka's body, but I always imagined Kuendesha as the killer with the other males there as backup. 
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corruptangel315 Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014
I know you explained it already; I wasn't asking for another explanation on that. I was simply stating that, regardless of you explaining it, I still can't fully understand it. Granted, I can somewhat understand it, especially after reading your thoughts on the matter, but not completely. Whether or not "the liberated Moyo" is the lion she loves, and not the weak-filled follower Moyo he was before, the fact still remains: he was an accomplice to her parents' murder, and if I was her, I know I wouldn't be able to simply get over something like that so easily. Moyo would just be a constant reminder. :shrug:

Ah, I see. That makes sense then. Thanks for explaining that. 

BTW, don't get me wrong, I still love the comic! ^^ And I hope you don't think I'm criticizing you... I just can't fully wrap my head around everything, no matter what is explained, but that's more my own fault, and not your own. ^^;
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PerpetualTwilight21 Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014
The way I look at it is this: different people have different "thresholds of no return" for what they are able to forgive.  A good example is the situation that arose between me and a family member a few years ago.  Everybody I know says they would have forgiven in my position, but I just can't.  :shrug:  Likewise I have known people who won't forgive for things *I* personally would have, and vice-versa.  It really is a case of different strokes for different folks.  And people do go to the extremes on both ends.
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corruptangel315 Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2014
Yeah, I suppose that's a pretty good way of looking at it. Makes sense.
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ShadedSorrow Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I love your brain vomit, it is perfect (:
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UPSteam Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
I agree with everything you said Raven. Taka was being an ass, Moyo was brainwashed from day 1 to be a mindless killer & managed to break free & Sarafina's heart is in her actions
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sabbimayy Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014
Yup, I agree with everything you've said 100%
I've been in Sarafina's shoes (paws? lol) before, I know what it's like having someone fall for you and you don't share their feelings. You are frustrated at yourself because you like this person as a friend, and in some ways you wish you could love them too, but you just can't. Then you get frustrated at them because you just wish they'd move on. xP

Also, with the whole Moyo being jealous topic, I know that if my boyfriend ever met up with my loser of an ex, he'd have some very…interesting…words to say to him. xD In my mind Moyo is trying to protect Sarafina, he sees that she is distraught/overwhelmed by Taka. And people are forgetting that she's currently pregnant with his cub, so of course he's going to be SUPER DUPER protective. 
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RockyGems Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Student General Artist
They probably complain either because they're too naive to understand how relationships really work, or just because it conflicts with their OTP :XD:
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CougarHearted Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014
You know? I was actually hoping you would post a journal/essay on the whole, unexpected debate in regards to Moyo/Taka/Sarafina, Raven. And I have to say, you did a VERY exceptional job at explaining the characters' psychology and their situations with this, and I can concur with it all. I especially enjoyed reading the paragraph that dealt with Moyo and why he followed Kuendesha. If you ever plan on doing a comic/story regarding the the four rogues, I would most certainly be excited to read it! =D
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KurGuardianz Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014
Down to a T.
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aAshleyB Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
People are/were bagging on Sarafina for not falling in love with Taka?  (forewarning: this comment is intended for these people and not for Albino or anyone else in particular)
These have to be people who have never experienced enough love/sexual attention to understand that you can't just love everyone that's been there for you.  

When I was dating my first serious boyfriend (it was a non-sexual relationship, but serious none-the-less), he had a friend that I was introduced to.  Long story short, that relationship didn't end up working out, and I fell into the pits of depression and utter suicidal consumation; it's a wonder I'm even still alive today.  <small>(I, personally, now give my thanks to God for not letting me take myself before I discovered His grace)
.  Anyway, this ex-friend of my ex-boyfriend was there to help me get through my depression.  He remained my good friend for years.  We practically grew up together we were soo close.  

Finally, in our later teen years, he decided to drop it on me that he loved me and wanted to be with me.  I never once considered this possibility because I never once felt any desire to be anything other than a friend to him.  He was there for me for years, he helped me when I needed help the most, we practically grew up together, and I still didn't love him.  I was incapable of doing so.  After he practically begged me to give him a chance day after day, I still do not have any desire to be in a relationship with him.

You see, you (people who don't understand that you can't fall in love with everyone, no matter how well you know them, or how long they've been around) need to understand that it doesn't - matter - who got there first, just like it doesn't - matter - who Sarafina has fallen in love with.  

Ya know, there's a reason it's called "Fall in love"...it's not like you dived into it...not like you chose to feel those butterflies in your stomache; no, those got there on their own, without your brains' decision-making-consciousnesses consent.  You wouldn't be falling if you chose to jump.  
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PaintedHuntress Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014
Thank you sooo much for writing this. Are you going to link to this on your comic?

What really disturbs me is the fact that there is so much hate directed at Sarafina. I will use another well-known lion king comic as an example: a female character falls in love with a popular male character, the male character starts to turn mean and emotionally unstable, female character becomes scared of him, turns to the male character's best friend, and they fall in love and leave. Male character's evil sisters go after the female character, kill her, and kidnap her cub.

And a whole lot of people saying the female character deserved it. Completely crazy. In fact, the author of THAT comic had to make a note to his readers similar to this one due to the comments they were making just to defend his female side character.

 I am seeing parallels with reactions to this comic here, where the evil character has had such a sad childhood that he is pitied to the point that his bad behavior is overlooked/ignored/encouraged. And it is true, love can't be forced.
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weasel-girl Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Ugh I know which comic you are talking about and that incident you described pissed me off so badly.
I think that part of the comic was my least favorite part not because that the story or artwork was bad, but because readers were so ignorant and were blind to the fact that the relationship was unhealthy and on the borderline of abuse.

Oh but who cares, the guy was hot and his past was so horrible and he's so misunderstood!! :sarcasm:

Give me a break. 
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Hunting-Artemis Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I think you're right, but at the same time, I feel that Scar deserves a bit more sympathy. I find myself able to relate to him (not with the murders or attitude, hell naw O.O) because he's still growing and feelings/hormones get in the way. I bet that if he found out what Viccha was actually doing, he would definitely change. Just my thoughts anyway. :D
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Irish-John Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014
Wow. I got a headache from all this...reading...I haven't felt like this since Harry Potter.
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XUhuruX Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You know, I agree 100% with this, you said everything that was on my mind. Moyo couldn't stop the killings, even if he did side with Dumaka and Kweli, Kuendesha Mfuasi and Mnyama would've win for sure. Kweli, being too weak because of his age would've been killed instantly which leaves three against two. The fact is, Moyo couldn't do anything to stop them. But for that he felt guilt, helped the lionesses and free himself. And Taka was a total jerk, his behavior was not a prince-like and he had no right to treat Sarafina and Moyo like that. I'm totally on Moyo's side here.
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Ermisty Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014
I really enjoyed reading your explanation. It shows your really put love into your story and your characters, and not just think a few minutes and say "That's not very logical, but I'll juste make do". Besides, I was a bit sad about all the hate-reactions towards Moyo - you can't judge someone without understanding the whole story, from the beginning.
Anyway, thank you, because I found it really interesting!
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KayFedewa Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
i think the way you wrote it made sense and was believable. 
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DudeWheresMyLion Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
The Moyo part makes a LOT of sense as to how he was manipulated by Kudenesha his whole life. 

It makes me think of an abusive relationship; At first it's not there, or it is but not much, but then it gets worse as time goes, but you have no idea how to get away from it (Either you love the person too much, Or in Moyo's case, Kudenesha raised and cared for him since cubhood) without being harmed by the other person. I bet if Moyo tried leaving earlier on, Kudenesha probably would have beaten or worse; killed him for it. 

and as for Taka, sure, being duped by someone you love hurts, but if they don't return your affection, that's life, sadly. Yes, it is hard to get over (I once told a friend I liked him, and after that he wanted nothing to do with me and it ruined our friendship)and it hurts, but if you seek help or have a strong mindset, you can ease away from the pain. But it seems like Taka didn't want to let go at ALL, so it's just made him bitter, plus hanging out with Viccha doesn't help matters... 

But I have a feeling Taka and Moyo will end up duking it out, thus a possible Moyo exile ;-; Something will happen for sure. 
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TarzanSimba Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014
I really REALLY liked this post, you showed how much effort and love you put into your stories and how much you try to make your characters as real as possible. It changed my point of view towards Moyo, and it made me reallize that I really judged him too fast. Grow up with a dictator like Kuendesha wasn't easy at all, and now I know if he didn't escape before was because of fear and because he really had no idea how to live out there. 

It's true that Taka's behaviour is unnaceptable no matter what he went through, but I really understand his pain, and he went through a lot, but what really scarred him wasn't those experiences. If he had been supported during it, yes, I would say it was alright. But he went through a lot without any kind of support since the beggining. And the most traumatic experience he ever lived he had to face it and move on without any kind of help, not even his friends or his own family, he litterally was left in a corner like trash most of the time, and that's something unexcusable. And I really didn't see any kind of interest of anyone to know what was going on, well, except for Mufasa, I admit it, he is the only one who really tried. He has huge points, but as you said, he uses that to be a jerk. True, but honestly, I am not surprised he reacted that way if he was still that mad and hurt. But I do agree he could have done that in a propper moment, not right when she came back, but I guess he just didn't want to control himself. Bad Taka on that.

And I find so interesting that Moyo and Taka are so similar now :3 

Can't wait to see Taka's Scar being done :D
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LightningDraco Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014
I agree.
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CAMINUSA Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014
Agree with about everything you said.
I think my only problem with Moyo is that he was never really confronted with the other males (Kuendesha and Mnyama I mean), even after becoming his own lion, but here, from what we see here, Taka is clearly the only one being wrong and bratty.
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ScarTaka17 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Everyone has a different point of view but i think that every person is different and yes taka could have changed but they're not the same either.Taka is more emotional than moyo and that's why he accepts the things differently and you're right that everyone of us has had loss and exc. but for taka its not his grandpas death what hurted him its that in his eyes no one was there for him at the end.Besides moyo relised that the things kuendesha does are wrong but vichha saved taka from the graveyard and then brainwashed him.And yeah i know taka acts like a jerk but can you really excuse sarafina for not falling in love with taka but not taka for not falling in love with naanda.And if it wasnt for that bitch vichha they may have ended well.Takas biggest enemy are his emotions because they are the ones who turned him like that.And remember when muffy and taka were born mohatu sad -as long as you pay them attention equally the story negasi abasi wont repeat.But soon when a heir was chosen taka had to spent less and less time with his dad because of the training.Its not mufasas fault but either.Its just that if all your life as a kid or cub you've beaten made fun or sth else your personallity changes in a bad way.I dont want to admit it but my uncle is the same
The smaller brother .his friends were kinda like viccha and at some time he just stoped caring about anythin but i guess thts the way some people deal with life's challenges and its the same with taka.At some point he just stopped caring he closed himself and just took the dark way.Thats why i like villians.They're just people who took the wrong way but not from free will but pushed by others
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albinoraven666fanart Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
That's not true. Sarafina was there for him. And he chose to isolate himself. And his parents were there for him afterward, but Uru was in deep mourning(he was her father after all.) And had Taka been stronger, he would have been able to realize what Viccha was doing to him. Viccha only saved him to suit her own purposes anyway. And in regards to Sarafina and Naanda. I don't blame Sarafina for not loving Taka, and I don't blame Taka for not loving Naanda. You can't help who you love.
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ScarTaka17 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Well you're right.
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BluePawProductions Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014   General Artist
Wait...people are arguing and fighting over the course of your comic? >.> Uhhhh, okay.  That doesn't make much sense to me, considering that they're your characters (for the most part) and your reasoning. 
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albinoraven666fanart Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Not arguing. Just friendly debate.
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BluePawProductions Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014   General Artist
Oh, okay ^-^ *whew* I was worried that your comic was going to be the victim of one of those horrible argument storms. XD
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teramiku Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Student Filmographer
I agree 100% with all of the points you made. I actually really dislike when people complain (in real life as well as in story lines etc.) about who someone "should have" fallen in love with. Like dude, just because something THINKS they're entitled to your affections (ie. nice guy syndrome) doesn't mean they DESERVE it. And even if they do, you can't force emotion or attachment. Or love, anyway. You just can't. Forcing it just makes it fake. People have been trying to explain love for centuries, and no one has any explanation for WHY it happens between certain people. Taka, as someone who supposedly loves Sarafina, should have acted like a mature, adult friend and respected her choice. He may not like it, and he doesn't have to, but he should respect her choice. 
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Devinital Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
I agree whole heartedly.
I can understand people wavering over favoring Taka or Moyo, but I simply don't get people hating Sarafina not falling in love. I personally hate people who make assumptions on who and why some one love a persona or not: so long as its not a abusive relationship or something along those lines, who are we to step in?
I know personally what its like for others to try to force feeling of love out of you onto another even if you don't feel that "spark" to begin with. You feel guilty and horrible that you simply aren't good enough to feel the kind of love towards that person until you realize that if it doesn't come naturally, there is no reason for you to force it. And in fact the people who try to force it are in the wrong and need to let you decide for yourself who you can love and by how much.
So I totally identify with Sarafina and can't see her in the wrong. PERIOD.
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ManyRegretsz Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014
Personally I think you should take pride that you were able to construct a narrative that provoked such a discussion in the first place.

But yes, I agree with your opinion in regards to the whole Taka+Moyo+Sarafina love triangle. But I can see where Taka is coming from, being rejected after laying oneself at your "special someone's" feet is a difficult thing to overcome properly. Especially when that "special someone" falls for someone else he may be agitated by that fact that....frankly he's not good enough for her, leaving him potentially wrestling with the question of who's truly at fault.
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albinoraven666fanart Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I do take pride on it, I was just throwing in my two cents :D 
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Kaidi-Lioness Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
this is going to be an even more interesting comic now x3 heheh
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M-Lee08 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you for the wonderful insight. This is purely fascinating.
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Miwanzo Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014
I'd never have realised Taka and Moyo are so similar.

And I have a new found respect/hate for Viccha she sure managed to do a lot with what few issues Taka had.

Well argued.
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AskTyranno Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Professional General Artist
You make a good point as always Raven ^^ 
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KyashaKitsune Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014   General Artist
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Sky-Lily Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
""Moyo could have run, Moyo could have stopped the murders, if Moyo was really a good guy he would have thought about this stuff before the fact" but no one is equating the same concept to Taka which is "Taka could have changed on his own, and not continued to befriend Viccha and see the error of his ways.""

Amen and amen.
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sarafina123 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014
Wow how long time did this take you?
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albinoraven666fanart Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Eh, fifteen minutes at the most 
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sarafina123 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014
Wow really you are my hero
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angelicroses37 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
EVERYTHING that you've said here is 100% all right! While I've never been one of the ones that complained about Taka, Moyo or Sarafina, with this analogy, I have a better understanding of the three of them. Thanks for writing this, albino! :)
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